This was a full day out, because we travelled to Grantham in the morning by train rather than the more usual afternoon trip on the 12 o'clock mid-day bus.
The dated tickets below have survived to show that we left from Leicester (London Road) for Nottingham (Midland), then walked across the city to Nottingham (Victoria) for the Grantham train. We could have avoided that ¾-mile transfer on foot between stations by using the Great Central (GC) line from Leicester (Central) to Nottingham (Vic.), but services to Nottingham on the GC weren't as frequent as they were on the Midland line.
This, so far as I remember, was my first experience of Nottingham (Victoria) station. I remember us buying the tickets from one of the windows in the large and ornate booking hall at street level. After having them inspected and being informed of the departure platform we emerged, high above the tracks, onto a footbridge beneath an expansive roof, and descended a grand flight of stairs to the platforms.
Digressing slightly, until 1953 there were direct trains to Grantham from a station which was just five minutes' walk from our home: Leicester (Belgrave Road), the 'GN station'. There was only one service each day and we'd have ambled through the countryside of High Leicestershire and the Vale of Belvoir in a couple of elderly coaches, most likely hauled by an equally ancient 'J1' locomotive as seen arriving at Grantham in the photograph below taken by Humphrey Platts.
At the end of 1953 this meagre service was withdrawn. The bus route between Leicester's St Margaret's Bus Station and Grantham via Melton Mowbray became the sole direct link by public transport. It was provided, alternately, by the green buses of Lincolnshire Road Car and the red ones of the 'Midland Red' which, in the early 1960s, departed on the hour from either end of the route.
On this day we must have made quite an early start because some of the first photographs at Grantham were taken at around 11am. (I've worked this out by deducing the position of the sun from shadows and using a website to calculate the time of day.) So I imagine we left home before 9 and began our rail journey as soon as cheap day return tickets became valid.
Spotting with Mother
Grantham's B1 'Flier', No. '1389
The Three Straws
The Flying Scotsman
Waiting for a Train
The Sheffield Pullman
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10 thoughts on “Thursday 16th August 1962”
Chris Noble
An excellent set of photographs with inspiring accompanying text.
On that date, I might well have been there. I also used to travel from Nottingham Victoria which, being an imposing station, added greatly to the occasion. Throughout the journey we would discuss our hopes for the day, particularly hoping for streaks at speed through the station.
As Pullman coaches featured in the Ian Allan volumes, each of us would be allocated specific coach positions (first, second, etc...) to 'spot' as the trains sped through. Woe betide us if we missed it!
Thanks Chris. Wouldn't it be an amazing coincidence if you'd been on the platforms too? So I've checked the other pictures from the same visit but there's no-one in any of them who might be a spotter from Nottingham.
As a group you'd developed a very clear plan for capturing the name or number of each of the coaches of a speeding Pullman train. I do remember this being a real challenge. Between the two of us we'd get a few of the named (first class) cars on each train but second class coaches, which were numbered, were next to impossible to identify. Your strategy sounds like an early practical application of teamwork skills, the sort of thing employers send people on expensive courses to learn: planning, action, feedback - it was all there!
John
One of the locomen on the platform end is carrying an army surplus respirator case which seemed to be universal amongst working men at the time - and so did this teenage spotter!
Thanks for noticing this once commonplace period 'accessory' Hylton. Looking again at the detail in the pictures I can see that another of the men is wearing bicycle trouser clips, and not a bike in sight. I expect it was a wise precaution which kept the trouser bottoms safely tucked in so as not to catch on anything.
Cheers
John
Fantastic photos of a bygone era (which I remember well). I was probably trainspotting on the line-path at Potters Bar about that time! I am not generally a fan of nostalgia but these photos are great.
Thanks Phil, that's really encouraging because there's so much more to the railway and its story than locomotives and trains. I'm thinking of people, the environment in which they travelled as passengers or the community where they lived and worked as railway staff. Through some of these pictures, and across Tracks through Grantham more generally, I hope we can catch a glimpse of these aspects of life six decades ago without necessarily being uncritically nostalgic.
John
Another great post. How fascinating that there are still small fragments of original LNER-era infrastructure like that humble fencing, left untouched up until the present day.
Thanks Ollie. That fence (if it's still there) will be the only historic 'architectural' remnant on the Down side platforms at Grantham station, because the remaining older platform buildings were demolished in 1985 and the footbridge was replaced when lifts were installed in 2008.
John Clayson
Thursday, August 16,1962. I travelled from Stockton to King's Cross on the 07.53 Sunderland- King's Cross behind EE Type 4 D280.
Observations that day included 60017 on 1A37 12.30 'Northumbrian' Newcastle - King's Cross. The A4 had worked the 10.25 King's Cross to Peterborough, ECS on to Grantham, as per diagram, then light engine back to Peterborough and 1A37 Peterborough to London, due 17.56. It was a duty performed many times by 60017 that summer and 'Silver Fox' was usually immaculately turned out.
Other observations were 60022 'Mallard' on 1B11 16.28 Doncaster - King's Cross, semi-fast. Also a regular job for 60022 that summer. She had worked down on the morning King's Cross - Hull.
60154 1E29 12.20 Hull - King's Cross. 60025 'Falcon' 1E12 Harrogate -King's Cross arrive 17.44. 60120 1E06 Leeds-King's Cross arrive 13.31. D0280 Sheffield Pullman workings. 60113 12.47 arrival at King's Cross. 60010 'Dominion of Canada' 1A36,14.05 King's Cross - York. (I travelled from King's Cross to York on this train.) 60010 would return from York on 3E03, 20.00 Sunderland- King's Cross parcels. In addition A4 60014 'Silver Link' was reported on 1A22 King's Cross - Glasgow, normally a Deltic working.
Thank you for an amazing site and I hope that you find the above of interest. Was it really 60 years ago?
Hello David,
Many thanks for the note of your observations on 16th August 1962, and for your kind remarks about our website. It’s very much a joint effort by the many people who’ve taken the time and trouble to contribute their knowledge, photographs, observations, research skills etc. and, perhaps especially, their personal experiences.
Your observations of the day are very helpful because, other than the photographs, I don’t have any records. At the age of 8 I didn’t think to keep my earliest spotting notebook.
In case it helps, looking at the photographs from the day and cross-referencing with your notes (as indicated by *), this was the order of appearance at Grantham:
• * 60022 on a Down passenger, stopped at platform 3
• * 60113 Up passenger – time approx. 11am from the Sun’s position
• * 60120 Up passenger – time approx. 11.45am from the Sun’s position
• 61389 Up local pick-up goods
• 60103 Down passenger, stopped at platform 3
• 60109 Down passenger
• D9010 Up Elizabethan
• 60047 Down passenger + 61142 passing on Up main
• D9009 Up Flying Scotsman
• * 60017 Up Light Engine
• 92141 Down fitted freight (containers on conflats), not stopping – after 3pm from the Sun’s position
• * 60025 Up passenger, stopped at platform 2 – after 3pm from the Sun’s position
• * The Sheffield Pullman, stopped at platform 2 – after 3pm from the Sun’s position (locomotive not in photo but by your observation D0280)
Other than those indicated as ‘stopped’ at a platform I can’t tell, from the photograph, whether the others are stopping or running through.
Best wishes,
John
An excellent set of photographs with inspiring accompanying text.
On that date, I might well have been there. I also used to travel from Nottingham Victoria which, being an imposing station, added greatly to the occasion. Throughout the journey we would discuss our hopes for the day, particularly hoping for streaks at speed through the station.
As Pullman coaches featured in the Ian Allan volumes, each of us would be allocated specific coach positions (first, second, etc...) to 'spot' as the trains sped through. Woe betide us if we missed it!
They were wonderful times.
Thanks Chris. Wouldn't it be an amazing coincidence if you'd been on the platforms too? So I've checked the other pictures from the same visit but there's no-one in any of them who might be a spotter from Nottingham.
As a group you'd developed a very clear plan for capturing the name or number of each of the coaches of a speeding Pullman train. I do remember this being a real challenge. Between the two of us we'd get a few of the named (first class) cars on each train but second class coaches, which were numbered, were next to impossible to identify. Your strategy sounds like an early practical application of teamwork skills, the sort of thing employers send people on expensive courses to learn: planning, action, feedback - it was all there!
John
One of the locomen on the platform end is carrying an army surplus respirator case which seemed to be universal amongst working men at the time - and so did this teenage spotter!
Thanks for noticing this once commonplace period 'accessory' Hylton. Looking again at the detail in the pictures I can see that another of the men is wearing bicycle trouser clips, and not a bike in sight. I expect it was a wise precaution which kept the trouser bottoms safely tucked in so as not to catch on anything.
Cheers
John
Fantastic photos of a bygone era (which I remember well). I was probably trainspotting on the line-path at Potters Bar about that time! I am not generally a fan of nostalgia but these photos are great.
Thanks Phil, that's really encouraging because there's so much more to the railway and its story than locomotives and trains. I'm thinking of people, the environment in which they travelled as passengers or the community where they lived and worked as railway staff. Through some of these pictures, and across Tracks through Grantham more generally, I hope we can catch a glimpse of these aspects of life six decades ago without necessarily being uncritically nostalgic.
John
Another great post. How fascinating that there are still small fragments of original LNER-era infrastructure like that humble fencing, left untouched up until the present day.
Thanks Ollie. That fence (if it's still there) will be the only historic 'architectural' remnant on the Down side platforms at Grantham station, because the remaining older platform buildings were demolished in 1985 and the footbridge was replaced when lifts were installed in 2008.
John Clayson
Thursday, August 16,1962. I travelled from Stockton to King's Cross on the 07.53 Sunderland- King's Cross behind EE Type 4 D280.
Observations that day included 60017 on 1A37 12.30 'Northumbrian' Newcastle - King's Cross. The A4 had worked the 10.25 King's Cross to Peterborough, ECS on to Grantham, as per diagram, then light engine back to Peterborough and 1A37 Peterborough to London, due 17.56. It was a duty performed many times by 60017 that summer and 'Silver Fox' was usually immaculately turned out.
Other observations were 60022 'Mallard' on 1B11 16.28 Doncaster - King's Cross, semi-fast. Also a regular job for 60022 that summer. She had worked down on the morning King's Cross - Hull.
60154 1E29 12.20 Hull - King's Cross. 60025 'Falcon' 1E12 Harrogate -King's Cross arrive 17.44. 60120 1E06 Leeds-King's Cross arrive 13.31. D0280 Sheffield Pullman workings. 60113 12.47 arrival at King's Cross. 60010 'Dominion of Canada' 1A36,14.05 King's Cross - York. (I travelled from King's Cross to York on this train.) 60010 would return from York on 3E03, 20.00 Sunderland- King's Cross parcels. In addition A4 60014 'Silver Link' was reported on 1A22 King's Cross - Glasgow, normally a Deltic working.
Thank you for an amazing site and I hope that you find the above of interest. Was it really 60 years ago?
Hello David,
Many thanks for the note of your observations on 16th August 1962, and for your kind remarks about our website. It’s very much a joint effort by the many people who’ve taken the time and trouble to contribute their knowledge, photographs, observations, research skills etc. and, perhaps especially, their personal experiences.
Your observations of the day are very helpful because, other than the photographs, I don’t have any records. At the age of 8 I didn’t think to keep my earliest spotting notebook.
In case it helps, looking at the photographs from the day and cross-referencing with your notes (as indicated by *), this was the order of appearance at Grantham:
• * 60022 on a Down passenger, stopped at platform 3
• * 60113 Up passenger – time approx. 11am from the Sun’s position
• * 60120 Up passenger – time approx. 11.45am from the Sun’s position
• 61389 Up local pick-up goods
• 60103 Down passenger, stopped at platform 3
• 60109 Down passenger
• D9010 Up Elizabethan
• 60047 Down passenger + 61142 passing on Up main
• D9009 Up Flying Scotsman
• * 60017 Up Light Engine
• 92141 Down fitted freight (containers on conflats), not stopping – after 3pm from the Sun’s position
• * 60025 Up passenger, stopped at platform 2 – after 3pm from the Sun’s position
• * The Sheffield Pullman, stopped at platform 2 – after 3pm from the Sun’s position (locomotive not in photo but by your observation D0280)
Other than those indicated as ‘stopped’ at a platform I can’t tell, from the photograph, whether the others are stopping or running through.
Best wishes,
John